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Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
11/24/15 10:27 p.m.

That's something that always bothered me about the Cuba missile crisis. The Joint Chiefs of Staff threatened that if any of our aircraft were so much as shot at, that they'd go in an level the place. Of course they would shoot at our aircraft. We were overflying the airspace. LeMay acted like the Cubans weren't allowed to defend their airspace. No wonder we lost a U-2.

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
11/24/15 11:20 p.m.

Well at least we know an f16 can shoot down a su24

WildScotsRacing
WildScotsRacing New Reader
11/24/15 11:30 p.m.
Fueled by Caffeine wrote: Well at least we know an f16 can shoot down a su24

Or, as F-16 pilots (aka Viper Drivers) refer to it, "Clubbing A Baby Seal."

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
11/24/15 11:33 p.m.
WildScotsRacing wrote:
Fueled by Caffeine wrote: Well at least we know an f16 can shoot down a su24
Or, as F-16 pilots (aka Viper Drivers) refer to it, "Clubbing A Baby Seal."

I hear that baby seal clubbing is both fun and profitable.

WildScotsRacing
WildScotsRacing New Reader
11/25/15 12:11 a.m.

In reply to Fueled by Caffeine:

And not very taxing of one's BFM skills, but hey, a kill is kill. Only Chuck Yeager could get an air-to-air while flying a Fencer, the most inaccurate NATO code name ever. The Su-24 couldn't couldn't knock down a fly if it ran into it.

oldeskewltoy
oldeskewltoy UltraDork
11/25/15 9:45 a.m.

2nd pilot survived... said no warnings before they were shot down.... things get interesting

WOW Really Paul?
WOW Really Paul? MegaDork
11/25/15 9:52 a.m.

In reply to oldeskewltoy:

His radio was probably only compatible with other commie era crap.....Turkey posted the radar log of the flight path....straight across a part of turkey on line with their target.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
11/25/15 10:07 a.m.

That's one of the big issues with various nations working in the same area. What frequency are they on? I am sure the Turkish were contacting them on a frequency that they thought was appropriate, but who knows what the Russians where using (there hundreds at least).

84FSP
84FSP HalfDork
11/25/15 10:25 a.m.

Did the Russians finally turn on their radios and locating beacons? They had been flying without any signature which was causing a lot of issues with the other nations involved in the actions previously. Regardless this is the third incursion that has been public enough for us to hear about it in the press. So the third time is the charm apparently...

Will
Will SuperDork
11/25/15 8:04 p.m.

Because if there's a country with the moral authority to get outraged about shooting down aircraft for violating sovereign airspace, it's Russia.

Korean Airlines Flight 902

Korean Airlines Flight 007

Whole mess of US military aircraft

02Pilot
02Pilot Dork
11/25/15 8:34 p.m.

In the broader sense, the Fencer shoot-down and subsequent helo downing serve to reinforce rather effectively the Putin foreign policy narrative to his domestic audience. NATO country taking down the Sukhoi, U.S.-supported rebels popping the helo with a TOW - both of these help to show Russia in the position of victim rather than aggressor, a view already popular with the Russian people, especially when projected through the prism of state-controlled media.

TRoglodyte
TRoglodyte SuperDork
11/25/15 8:40 p.m.

Kruschev I could relate to, Putin is bats hit crazy.

WOW Really Paul?
WOW Really Paul? MegaDork
11/25/15 9:37 p.m.

In reply to TRoglodyte:

He's just trying to live up to the comrades before him......lol

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